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A Better Kindle Still Isn't Great

Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:25 AM EST
technology, sony, amazon, ebook, kindle, reader, e-book, e-book-reader, kindle-2, iliad, kindle2, irex
By finalcut

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Do you own, or will you buy, an e-book reader?

View Results
  • 33237
    I Own One
    13%
  • 33238
    I Am Planning on Buying One
    13%
  • 33239
    I WIll When the Price Drops
    13%
  • 33240
    I Will When EBook DRM Goes Away
    33%
  • 33241
    I'll Probably Never Own One
    27%

VoteTotal Votes: 15

Kindle 2

Original, ugly, Kindle

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When the first Kindle came out it inspired in me a sense of ugh. It was hideous to look at with an awkward appearing keyboard and hugely obtrusive buttons along the sides. Then my boss bought one and I saw the screen and though; well, maybe I could ignore the aesthetic qualities because I could easily see myself reading books on this thing. It turns out I couldn't ignore the appearance, at least not at a $360 price tag and so I never bought one (not that I could of with the endless waiting lists - thanks Oprah).

After checking out the Kindle I went out and looked at a few other devices such as the Sony E-Book Reader which is very classy looking and has the same great screen. However, I didn't buy a Sony either; it just didn't seem like enough books that I would want to read were available in the Sony store. Not that the Kindle options for me were significantly better but it seems like the Kindle collection will grow more rapidly than the Sony one. Honestly it is hard to completely dismiss the Sony offering because Sony doesn't do a very good job of advertising how many books are available for it.

I also looked a few slightly lesser known options (such as the iRex iLiad Book Edition that can read a wider array of formats but the prices on them are just too high for me to justify. The iRex Book Edition, while a beautiful and flexible device, costs $600. If I could get hundreds of free e-books with it then I'd consider that option but, really, it is just too expensive (though, in my opinion, the best option on the market). The IRex supports a ton of formats and the screen is much larger. Heck, their larger, and more expensive offering, has a 10.1" screen! That would be great for technical manuals and pretty much anything else (except Kindle books which aren't supported - of course).

All of this brings me back to the Kindle which released a new version, the Kindle 2, yesterday. It is vastly better looking and the huge buttons for turning pages have been made far less obtrusive. I still don't really see much point in the keyboard; at least not considering how I read, but I don't mind the look of it so much anymore. This version is also substantially thinner while keeping the same size screen as the original. That screen isn't big. It's about the size of a paperback page so it still wouldn't be useful for any kind of technical manuals but it would be great for casual reading.

It would be great if the ebook types would take a cue from the music industry and get into selling non-DRM books. It is this reason more than anything else that stops me from getting a reader. I want to be able to buy a book from any ebook retailer and be able to read it on my reader. Proprietary formats suck. Plus, the DRM restriction takes away one of the best methods I have for finding new authors - borrowing a book. With a normal book I can ask a friend to borrow his copy; right off the bat the natural DRM of a book exists and only one of us can be reading it at a time. However, because digital files are so easy to copy publishers make it impossible to lend a digital book to a friend unless you're willing to lend them your reader as well. That sucks.

If the Kindle could support all ebook reader formats and it had a larger screen (but maintained its thinness) I'd buy one today especially at the $360 price tag.

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finalcut

I won't buy a Kindle but I sure wouldn't mind if someone bought one for me as a Gift. Even with all my complaints the screen really is awesome and causes no eye-strain at all. The thought that I could have thousands of books, without tens-of-thousands of pounds of paper crowding my house is exciting.

I probably read 4-5 books a month so the Kindle (or something like it) would be great in the long run.

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:28 AM EST
finalcut

well someone bought me a Kindle 3 as a gift. i haven't had it long enough to write a review but it will be forthcoming.

    #1.1 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 4:05 PM EST
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    Bar Fly

    I will continue to buy books, there is something I like about the tangibility factor...(probably why I still listen to and collect LPs).

    • 4 votes
    Reply#2 - Tue Feb 10, 2009 11:04 AM EST
    finalcut

    I can totally relate to that reasoning. I like the tactile feel of books so even if I ever get an ebook reader I buy some books; I just won't buy as many and instead will save my shelf space for books I really love (thus I might by books in both formats)

    • 4 votes
    #2.1 - Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:47 PM EST
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    inoubliable

    i'm a sucker for paper books. i've got a massive collection, over 750+ that is always growing. of course i have a 27 (no kidding) page list of books that i want and a huge list on amazon.com of books that i want. i checked out the sony ereader around xmas time because they were offering free books with purchase (that deal is still good, btw) but decided against it. it was the same reason i decided against the kindle. proprietary formats. i agree wholeheartedly. they suck.

    soon as someone comes out with a device that lets me put whatever i want on there, i'm game. sony and amazon, take a cue from apple. i'll put whatever the hell i want on my ipod, thank you very much, and apple still sells them like hotcakes.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#3 - Tue Feb 10, 2009 11:29 AM EST
    finalcut

    That is a lot of books. I probably have 2-300; I can't imagine having sufficient bookshelf space to store 700+ books though it would be cool to have a library like that.

    • 2 votes
    #3.1 - Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:00 PM EST
    inoubliable

    it's insane is what it is. lol. i justify it to my husband by saying the kids will need to use them for school eventually. (shhh...i think he's caught on, though.)

    it's why i considered an ereader in the first place, though. my books end up on rickety racks or stored in boxes a lot of time because i just don't have the room i want for them. luckily, our goal is to buy a home next january and hubby has promised some portion of the house will get wall-to-wall bookshelves. :) the ereader would still be good. that way i don't look like a total geek when i sit in the pick-up line at my son's school digging through a tote of 13-15 books trying to choose something to read for the next 15 minutes. haha.

      #3.2 - Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:37 PM EST
      inoubliable

      oh, forgot to mention this, too. i live in Williamsburg, VA. you know, College of William and Mary town? lol. which means just about every semester i can roll through town and pick up boxes of books off of the curb, literally. there's also a great place in town called Mermaid Books with tons of used books - lots of classics and 'thinking' novels that the college kids need all the time.

        #3.3 - Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:39 PM EST
        finalcut

        the wall-to-wall bookshelves would be nice. My dad and I just recently built a bookshelf door which was pretty cool. I live in a small college town but I have never seen boxes of books just waiting to be picked up - I'm jealous.

        • 1 vote
        #3.4 - Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:14 PM EST
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        Matt-816841

        At first, the Kindle was very appealing to me. I liked the idea of being able to subscribe to magazines and newspapers and have them delivered wirelessly. Then I checked the selection... wow. None of the magazines I read are on there, and I doubt the Kindle would display them very well considering it's grayscale.

        As for the DRM issue... I'd blame the publishers, not Amazon. They want to make money. Amazon and Sony are just working with the system. It's easier to remove DRM on audio because of concerts, merchandising, etc. With books... not quite the same.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#4 - Tue Feb 10, 2009 11:54 AM EST
        -DLT-

        Totally agree. But I think the book business is going to get hit even harder. People just don't want to read anymore. That's why i think they should completely jump on these technologies and get rid of the DRM, and try to get ahead of it before they lose all their influence. If they could just get the price on the Kindle down a little more, I'd buy one (and read more often because of it).

        • 1 vote
        #4.1 - Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:08 AM EST
        finalcut

        Matt not only would the grayscale, perhaps, hurt the magazine reading experience but the lack of real photographic support would. Often an article has valuable imagry associated with it (such as in National Geographic) - I can't imagine wanting to read those types of magazines on a device that couldn't deliver the full experience. However, I do believe that someday they will have a solid full color e-ink solution.

        DLT: I think the DRM is a failing of both the publishers and Amazon/Sony. Though, perhaps, I can cut them some slack. Maybe they are just doing what Apple did with the iPod - trying to get enough leverage in the market so that they can force the publishers hand. I don't really see Sony doing that since, as a company, they have shown a real love of DRM in the past. But, maybe Amazon is following Apple's model. We shall see.

        • 1 vote
        #4.2 - Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:03 AM EST
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        ShrubLuv

        I have this crazy device called a 'library card' that allows me access to all the books my heart desires. Ladies and gentlemen, the future is truly here. :)

        • 4 votes
        Reply#5 - Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:56 PM EST
        Bar Fly

        I've had one of those for over 25 years now...:)

        • 4 votes
        #5.1 - Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:00 PM EST
        finalcut

        My library has a pretty nice selection but, due to the rural nature of my town it is still lacking in many of the topics I enjoy reading so I end up shopping at Amazon quite a bit. However, it is always good to remember to take advantage of the services we pay for (the Library) it is amazing some of the books the DO have sometimes.

        • 1 vote
        #5.2 - Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:01 PM EST
        ShrubLuv

        Unfortunately, the selection does miss a few books every now and then, but when they don't have a book you want, you usually end up getting a book you didn't know existed and you end up, hopefully, impressed with it. And I do get surprised by what my local library does have every now and then... Sandman? In a small Texas town? YES!

        • 1 vote
        #5.3 - Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:30 PM EST
        inoubliable

        we have library cards, too. i take the kids to reading programs three-four times a week. they have borrowed books from there before.

        there's something about purchasing a book, knowing you're supporting an author, taking it home and reading it (over and over again, in my case), and lovingly making space for it on the shelf. we use the library, of course, but i couldn't give up my book addiction. :)

        • 1 vote
        #5.4 - Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:43 PM EST
        finalcut

        My daughters both go to the Library alot and are avid fans of the reading program. My eldest daughter checks a lot out from her school library as well. My youngest can't read yet but she still enjoys listening to them. Hopefully they will both like to read as much as I do.

          #5.5 - Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:15 PM EST
          inoubliable

          i think my kids have already shown they've inherited the obsession with reading. my oldest is 8. he checks out as many books from the school library every chance he gets. he's already amassed a personal library of his own that numbers about 120 books.

          my middle child just turned 4. already he has a personal library, as well. (and when i say personal libary, i'm talking about classics like 'the adventure of tom sawyer' and 'a christmas carol'. my 8 year old even has his own copies of 'the canterbury tales' and 'beowulf'.) he can't read well yet, but tries to practice all the time.

          my youngest son has boxes full of baby books from his older brothers and consistently picks one of those to play with before any other toy he has. he pretends to read to his older brothers all the time. he's not yet 18 months and already scares my husband as far as how much it's going to cost him in outfitting these kids with books and the college costs give him a heart attack.

            #5.6 - Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:21 PM EST
            -DLT-

            lol. so true. I need to revisit that place - it's been a while since I've been there.

            • 1 vote
            #5.7 - Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:09 AM EST
            Reply
            MasterNav

            As far as form factor goes - the Kindle doesn't inspire purchase lust at all. When they announced the concept, I thought cool, a nice fairly slim 6in tall, 4-5in wide 1in thick, maybe tapering to 1/2in thick, dual screen device that opens and closes like a book and supports a variety of upload protocols (USB, WiFi, BT, etc) with a decent battery and good screen res. Touchscreen tech to animate page flips. Hiding side index to jump pages or chapters. An option for audio books was a wish but not a deal-killer. An accelerometer for gatefold stuff - nice but not necessary.

            Anyway, we of course know that's not anywhere to be found. And the Kindle is kinda, well, 90's looking. And not significantly improving. Oh well. A guy can dream.

            • 1 vote
            Reply#6 - Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:25 PM EST
            inoubliable

            ah, for a minute there you really had me going....

              #6.1 - Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:27 PM EST
              finalcut

              Alot of what you mention there would be nice in an e-book though, in general, I'm not sure I would actually need the dual screen option I am reading only one page at a time afterall; but a faster page refresh for the next page would be nice; as I understand it most of the ebook readers are pretty slow at rendering the next page.

              I rather like the look of the new Kindle though I still don't like it as much as the iRex (either edition) or the Sony Reader. As I look at the photo of the Kindle 2 I think it is probably the rounded corners and the absence of the odd angle near the keyboard that makes me like the look so much better. It doesn't look nearly as much like a 1980's piece of hardware anymore.

              • 2 votes
              #6.2 - Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:20 PM EST
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              dungbeetlemania

              I really like your article here, very nicely done. I agree with everyone on DRM - until you can read any format you like I don't think I will be going that route. From a screen point of view, I think you should give the manufacturers a break ;) E-paper is very new, the fact that the Kindle 2 has 16 shades of grey is a significant step. Eventually we will have full colour, full-motion and fast rendering e-paper, but it's going to take a couple of years. Remember black and white tv?

              Clipped to Books.

              • 2 votes
              Reply#7 - Wed Feb 11, 2009 7:45 AM EST
              dungbeetlemania

              Sorry, I should have added that if you want a bigger reader to handle bigger formats like newspapers and technical documents, you might like the Plastic Logic e-reader.

              • 1 vote
              #7.1 - Wed Feb 11, 2009 7:51 AM EST
              finalcut

              I actually really like the screen quality of the Kindle - even the first generation; the text is uber-clear and it is easy on the eyes just like advertised; it's just small. It's a fine size for the vast majority of people who would want one to read normal books. I just felt I had to mention where the screen size causes limitations such as while viewing any kind of technical manual (say, one with source code examples) where the formatting just isn't appropriate for a small screen.

              Thanks for the link to the Plastic Logic reader. The name makes it sound cheap :O) but I'll take a look at it.

              Hrm.. looks like the Plastic Logic e-reader won't be available until 2010

              • 1 vote
              #7.2 - Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:41 AM EST
              dungbeetlemania

              Oh rats, that's no good then.

              • 1 vote
              #7.3 - Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:08 AM EST
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